Water Purifier – A Must Have Home Appliance

We have a Pur water purifier which needs a replacement filter every so often. When we recently went to our local camping store, where the purifier was bought, to buy a new filter, we were told they are no longer allowed to sell these. There are plenty of stocks we were told, but they are not allowed to sell them, or the purifiers. However they cannot or will not say why, or whether this is a permanent or temporary state of affairs. They also refused to tell us how or where to contact the makers of the product!  They say a similar ban applies to the Sweetwater brand purifier. Does anyone know anything about why the purifier & filter are banned, &/or where to contact the manufacturer, or any other relevant information? First, understand that there is a difference between a FILTER and a PURIFIER. The former filters out bacteria and protozoa but not viruses. The latter filters out bacteria and protozoa and kills the viruses chemically. (OK, the latter may also kill any remnant bacteria and protozoa as well.)

I asked Pur what was going on (by email). Summarised, the answer was as follows: There is nothing the matter with the basic (Hiker) filter, and it has NOT been withdrawn. The carbon post-filter used sometimes with the iodine (Voyager) insert was found to be TOO effective. It took all the iodine out of the water before it had killed the bugs and wogs. OK, this seems a very reasonable explanation. If correct, it would seem that someone in Australia, probably the distributor, has got the wrong message and is taking action by himself. My understanding from Pur is that the basic non-iodised filter is still for sale, and the iodine insert may also be still for sale, but the carbon post-filter has been withdrawn while they sort out the quality control on the carbon material. Frankly, I would never use a carbon post-filter with an iodine insert for this very reason. The iodine needs to act for 5-30 minutes (depending on temperature) to get the required kill efficiency. The amount left in the water is extremely small anyhow. Yes, you can SMELL it, but I defy you to taste it.

 

Water Purifier Info…

A water purifier is very different from a water filter. Figure out what you need. A purifier may be a desalinizer, such as a reverse osmosis membrane that removes salt from sea water. these will be more expensize to buy and keep up (replace membrane cartridges).

A filter is meant to remove particulate matter from water. Look at the pore size rating. To remove pathogens such as Giardia cysts and Cryptosporidium oocytes, get a filter with an absolute pore size rating of 2 microns or below. To take care of bacteria, you need a tighter rating, on the order of less than 1 micron. Most commercially available filters will not remove viruses (you need a filter with an absolute pore size of less than 0.01 micron). Iodine will not kill giardia or cryptosporidium but can kill bacteria and viruses. Using granular activated carbon will remove unpleasant tastes and odors as well as organic matter (pesticides as well as naturally occurring organic matter) and will remove iodine, heavy metals (lead, arsenic, etc).

I have a Pur hand held filter with an add-on carbon cartridge. The Pur filter has a rating of <1 micron and also an iodated resin to kill viruses. The carbon then removes the unpleasant iodine taste. I have read up on the Pur filter and have been impressed with their testing. There are other very good filters out there — Sweet Water, Katadyn, etc.

There’s a difference between water filters and water purifiers. Filters remove taste, odor, bacteria, cysts, protozoans and organic chemicals. Purifiers also remove (kill) viruses. Natually, purifiers are more expensive. If you’re going to be travelling in the US or Canada, a filter is sufficient. PUR, Katadyn, MSR and others make suitable filters and purifiers. Check out backpacking suppliers and magazines for information. Backpacker Magazine’s Gear Guide would be a good place to start.

Tap Water purifier ?

I’m interested on buying an API tap water purifier - deionizer, for use to my Discus-arium My tap water comes with pH=7.3, N03=25ppm, KH=4dH, GH=10dH and i wonder how much of that could absorb (if i got the picture right)? When will the catridge need replacement? Also any pros and cons would help me make up my mind. If API is referring to the Aquarium Pharm one, then it will absorb all that stuff.  I just purchased it and it works great.  By the way, if you pay more than $30 for it, you are getting ripped off (One lfs near my house sells it for 77Plus they sell the replacement cartridges by the 3 pack if you choose so you can save some more $$.  Here’s another interesting site if you are chemistry inclined (will show you how to recharge the cartridges):

Though I wouldn’t suggest doing this unless you have a decent background in chemistry and a knowledge of how to handle caustic and potentially dangerous chemicals (it would be better to spend money than to get chemical burns or lose your eyesight!!).  I personally purchased 2 of the deionizer units so that once I separate the mixed resin, I can keep the cationic resin in one and the anionic resin in the other.  This way, recharging them is much easier.  Drop me an e-mail if you need it explained (I don’t want to insult your intelligence in case you alredy know all this stuff).

I would guess from your water readings that you would get over 50 gallons from one cartridge (probably somewhere about 100g) since your water isn’t all too bad to begin with, but its hard to say for sure. It directly relates to your tap water quality.  The worse the tap, the more stuff has to be “filtered”. Pro’s: Easy to use, Extremely cheap if you buy on-line, Removes everything, rechargeable if you are so inclined, supposedly removes more stuff than RO (especially if the RO membrane is getting clogged), doesn’t waste water like RO (though water is pretty cheap!)

Con’s: Cartridge replacement (if you choose not to recharge) is more often than RO membrane replacement, Unless you buy several and hook them in line you will have more “work” (replacing/recharging cartridges, etc.) per gallon than buying one good RO unit, RO unit maybe more cost effective if you have a really big tank and use mostly RO/DI water in it.

 

Pisgah National Forest Hike To Stone Mountain

A few weeks ago I hiked almost 18 miles with 3 friends.  We visited the Shining Rock Forest and also Cold Mountain, in the Pisgah National Forest in North Carolina.  It was an aggressive hike given the changes in elevation, the weather, and the lack of water sources (our PUR Hiker purifiers came in handy).  It was a grueling hike, but was as remote a place as I’ve found on the east coast, other than my hike in Maine.  You could see the Smokey Mountains all around you.  We camped out at Stone Mountain and I believe it’s elevation is 6,000 feet.  The map we had from Shining Rock to Stone Mountain was terrible, so make sure that you have the best map possible for this trip or you can end up in Tennessee, rather than at Stone Mountain in North Carolina.  I used a Peak 1 Puma external frame pack and it held up quite well.  As usual, you find out how well you packed as you’re about half way through your hike (I brought too much food, could’ve cut about 2-3 lbs). Two of my buddies had just purchased Kelty Breeze internal frame packs from Campmor for $29.99 and they were phenomenal (your sleeping bag has to be in a stuff sack to work in one of these).  Once I returned to civilization, I bought one ( they’re still on sale)!  They were day packs, but you can get two days out of them, we did!  There were lots of scenic views and we had a black bear come through our camp twice that evening.  We were lucky that we hung our food and trash over a ravine!  Be assured, you must have a water purifier for this trip!  We also used Platypus canteens for the first time on this trip and we all agreed, there’s no other option for carrying water on a hike like this!  Using the bite valve option proved most effective! Most of the hikers that we met on this trip were very experienced and one group was training for a hike in the Grand Canyon in a few months.  If you’ve never gone on a Hike this remote, go with someone who has!  It would be easy to get hurt and / or lost in the Pisgah National Forest.  I figured that I’d let people know about this trip and the fine equipment that we tested.  We’re all looking for good boots for the next trip (too many blisters).

Is your water safe to drink?

Water, water everywhere, but is it safe to drink? David Rubien, Special to The Chronicle. Next time you crinkle your nose up at that glass of water you just drew from your kitchen tap, consider this: It could be a lot worse. You could be living in Santa Barbara, whose tap water Julia Child once said “turns my Chinese tea into mud.” At least it wouldn’t hurt you. For that to happen, pick your average underdeveloped foreign metropolis. Even that does not present the worst case scenario, though, because the water can generally be made safe by boiling. There are places in the world where running water doesn’t exist and people have to hike miles to find it.

All by way of saying that a safe water supply is one of the things we take for granted in the United States. And this is nowhere more true than in the Bay Area, where the water is as close to being pure as the driven snow as any municipal water in the world. ”In the Bay Area, we are relatively fortunate,” says Marguerite Young, California director of Clean Water Action, a consumer watchdog group. ”Our water supply is pretty safe.”

That’s the good news. Nevertheless, there are fears about water quality. Sales of bottled water have doubled over the past decade, to $5.7 billion in 2000, according to Beverage Marketing Corporation, and home water filters are also selling well (see accompanying story). Although water officials in the Bay Area insist that our drinking water is safer than ever, there are reasons for concern. Booming population growth in the state is adversely affecting rivers and watersheds, and there have been recent incidents of well water contaminated by industrial solvents such as methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE), a gasoline additive considered a possible human carcinogen.

Elevated levels of the infectious protozoan cryptosporidium – which can cause diarrhea in healthy people but be life-threatening to those with compromised immune systems – were reported a few years ago in Alameda County water sources, although there was no general outbreak of cryptosporidiosis as happened in Milwaukee, Wis., in 1993 when relatively small numbers of the pathogen were found in the water supply.

There also are worries about possibly detrimental effects of the municipal water-treatment process itself. Chlorine is added as a disinfectant to most water supplies, including the Bay Area’s, and when it reacts with naturally occurring organic and inorganic matter it forms what Young calls “DBPs – disinfection byproduct soup - mixtures of hundreds of chemicals.” About half of the DBPs haven’t even been identified, Young says, but two broad categories – trihalomethanes and haloacetic acid – are suspected of causing cancers and miscarriages. The Environmental Protection Agency is studying the matter, Young says.

Lead contamination of tap water is a perennial concern. Lead is proven to retard growth and cognitive functioning in children and it frequently turns up in elevated levels in homes. However, Bay Area water officials say that there is virtually no lead in our water sources. It can get into tap water by leeching from soldering in residential plumbing installed before the mid-’80s. Even so, many municipal utilities monitor lead levels, and Andrew DeGraca, manager of the Water Quality Bureau of the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission, says that the levels are dropping steadily as old water pipes get replaced.

Another controversial water additive is fluoride, which, while proven to prevent cavities in preteens, is believed by many physicians and scientists to cause a host of systemic health problems in adults. However, the Centers for Disease Control and the American Medical Association insist fluoride poses no hazards in the amounts contained in water. Much of the Bay Area’s water originates in two Sierra Nevada reservoirs. San Francisco gets 85 percent of its water from the Hetch Hetchy reservoir, on the Tuolumne River in Yosemite National Forest. This water is so clean that it is legally exempt from the filtration requirements imposed on the majority of the country’s tap water. However, Hetch Hetchy water is treated and mixed with water from a handful of other reservoirs around the Bay Area.

The South Bay also gets much of its water from the San Francisco system. Most of the East Bay Municipal Utility District’s water also comes from the Sierra. Water from the Mokelumne River follows a path of underground aqueducts to the Bay Area, blending with water from other sources. Marin County is served largely by reservoirs on the slopes of Mount Tamalpais. Both Marin and Sonoma counties also use Russian River water and wells. For consumers, the question obviously is: What’s in the water coming out of the tap?

Both national and state laws attempt to determine that. In 1974 Congress passed the Safe Drinking Water Act, which directed the EPA to establish minimum national drinking water standards. These were greatly refined in 1986, when Congress set maximum contaminant levels for around 100 substances, and mandated that MCLs must be determined for 25 additional contaminants every three years after 1991.

The water act’s amendments also included a ban on lead in water systems, established programs to protect groundwater sources and areas around wells, regulated the injection of wastes around drinking water sources and set up enforcement procedures for the EPA. It speaks about the coming technology of using ozone to purify your drinking water. I have been using an ozone/ultraviolet light water purifier since late 97′. My family and I drink water from a cistern. As a test a few months ago, we tried using one of those gravity filters; that is, you poor water into the top basin and filters the water using ceramics. Most of us got diahrea a few days later. Coincidence? We changed back to the ozone machine and have stuck with it ever since. Ozone is the way to go, for air and water purification.

 

Have Mapsend Topo now need good Topo program with trails

Since it’s the ONLY way to get topographical information into my M330 I bought Magellan’s MapSend Topo program.  MST is pretty good showing Roads and 4WD paths but absolutely fails on showing hiking trails.  Whenever I go on backpacking or hiking trips I carry a 7.5 minute topographical map and compass along with my GPS.  You can find your location on the map but not very accurately and fast like you can with a GPS.  The ONLY way I can upload hiking trail waypoints to my GPS is to either write them down from looking at something like topozone.com or USGA 7.5′ maps, or purchase a second topo program that has those paths plotted.  I have read the reviews on Joe and Jack’s website and they help but not much is mentioned about the off road content of the various topo programs.  I have been looking at Delorme Topo USA 3.0 (though I’ve read the interface stinks) and but I am open to other suggestions. Since I don’t have any software copies would those of you that have topo programs please try something for me:

Look up the coordinates N40 43′ 19″, W110 51′ 45″ on your topo programs and tell me if you see the start of the Highline Trail at Hayden Pass in the Unitas.  This trail heads southeast and just past Brooks Lake (this lake isn’t even on MST) a branch takes off northeast and goes up to Shaler Lake. Do you see that trail?  What topo program are you using? This is one beautiful trail.  Bring a water purifier and a few days food and have you may never want to come back to civilization.

Best Water Purification system on the market!

Advanced Water Treatment System: The best for your family

* Rated the #1 countertop water treatment system by a leading consumer magazine.

* Reduces more contaminants than any other carbon-based system, according to NSF International, an independent testing firm.

By making sure your water is as safe and pure as nature intended, the Advanced Water Treatment System let your family drink with confidence. The Water treatment System is documented to reduce more than 125 contaminants,  including chlorine, lead, parasites, radon, pesticides, mercury, asbestos, VOC’s (Volitile Organic Chemicals), and THM’s (trihalomethanes), although all of these chemicals may not be currently present in your drinking water. On the other hand, beneficial minerals as calcium, magnesium, and fluoride are left in.

The Water Treatment System works in four stages, each reducing more contaminants. The heart of it is the third stage- a block of solid carbon. It’s pressed so tightly that microscopic particles are trapped, while water is allowed to pass through. It’s this activated carbon-block system that sets this water treatment system apart. It’s so innovative that it has been awarded three patents!

Even bottled water can be dangerous and not as pure as the manufacturers claim. This system is easy to install and maintain. No need to call a plumber; most users find the system surprisingly easy to install by themselves. Detailed instructions guide you through the process, and our technical hotline is available to answer any questions. The fastest way to install the system is to connect it to your existing faucet. The filtering unit is about the size of a coffee maker and sits on the counter, with two small hoses attached to the faucet.

You can also install the water treatment system under the sink and out of sight. With this option, filtered water is directed to a second faucet, usually fitted into the opening designed for a handheld sprayer. Replace the filter every year or 1,250 gallons, whichever comes first. The Water treatment System electronically monitors how much water has been treated and beeps when it’s time for a new filter. You can also arrange for our replacement program, whereby a new filter is automatically shipped to you every year.

If you live here in Hawaii, then you know that the water is and has been subject to bacteria and other organisms that spread widely throughout a community and cause sickness and sometimes death. Can the same happen to your community on the mainland?

Price list:
Housing with filter
(Also purchase a faucet kit)    $350.30

Below-Counter Auxiliary
Faucet kit                                       $99.50

Above-Counter Existing
Faucet Kit                                     $64.05

Replacement Filter                  $106.40

We also carry the Compact Water Treatment System About half the size of the standard unit, this is a space-saving option for cottages, bathrooms, wet bars, ice makers, apartment, motor homes, and boats. the 4 in. X 8 in. unit connects directly in-line to any flexible, smooth water supply tubing or to your existing sink faucet with the Faucet Connection Kit.

Compact Housing with filter             $107.85
Compact Faucet Connection Kit      $64.00
Compact Replacement Filter            $44.15

Start protecting your family with the Advanced Water Treatment System or the Compact Water treatment System. It’s easy to install and maintain, it’s cost in minimal and carries a 100% money back guarantee.

 

Aquarium Pharmaceutical’s Tap Water Purifier

I have used the purifier for quite a while on a saltwater fish tank and a reef tank and have been pleased with the results. I work part time at a fish specialty store and have run basic tests on purified water and RO water and for the most part they tend to be fairly equal. The biggest seller for me was that since I have to have such a large volume of water to do water changes (usually 100gal/week) I can use the purifier to make this in a few hours, where my RO unit takes days to make this much… I can sacrifice a little quality for speed, and have noticed no difference in the tanks.

I’m a little confused about all the great reviews of this product.  I agree it is faster than an R.O. and makes great water but it is very expensive.  My tap water has a pH of 8 and a hardness between 15 and 20 DH.  This means I get about 30 gallons of water per $15.00 cartridge.  In order to do the frequent water changes I’m used to, this means a 45 gallon saltwater or discus tank would cost me $30.00 a month just for the water.  Since I have more than one tank this number quickly gets larger.  I was wondering if the people that wrote in are paying less for their cartridges or are just not making enough water for the expense to really add up.

We ran the same tests as you plus a conductivity test. I dont exactly remember the results other than it being just as good as RO as far as conductivity is concerned. If you are really concerned about what you are getting out of a purifier, you may be able to get your sample analysed by your local water co. Im not sure if or what it costs , but we have had water analysed from the store where I
work before… Im far from a water expert, but I do know how my systems react to certain changes and purifier water caused no negative effects whatsoever. Plus its a hell of alot faster.

I never said the purifier was “great”, I merely presented it as an option to RO, but as you pointed out an expensive option for someone who has really bad tapwater. I presently make about 60gal/week for water changes and sump top offs for a 300 gal. salt fish and a 45 gal reef, at this rate I only use a cartridge every two months. I guess I was blessed with decent tap water which makes it pretty economical for me. If you have never tried to use a purifier, I suggest you try one just to see how long it really lasts. Everyone told me “they dont last long”, “theyre expensive”, but I try to form my own opinions. You may get more out of a purifier than you think, if not, go to RO. I also have 2 RO units, so Im not a stranger to RO, the purifier is just faster for me. If you dont mind spending a few dollars to do a test, it might be worth a try.

I would like to say I have tried the Aquarium Pharmaceutical’s Tap Water Purifier and the 30 gal. figure I gave you was the result from the first 2 cartridges.  I said about 30 gal. because I didn’t pour the water into a measuring cup.  The impression I got from your letter was that you are geting 480 gal. of water from each cartridge.  If this is right, (and even if it’s not, meaning I got the wrong idea), I think you should post the readings for your tap water, (such as hardness, etc.), both to satisfy my own curiosity and to let others
with similar readings know that the purifier might work well for them.

PROMA WATER PURIFIER

5- Stage Filtration Process:
-          1st Stage : Get rid of dirt, rust, algae, hair, leaves, fibres, mud, slime and other suspended contaminants.
-          2nd Stage : Reduces heavy metals, such as aluminium, copper, lead, mercury and associated compounds.
-          3rd Stage : Re-filtered and pass through the carbon element chamber of the filter.
-          4th Stage :  Carbon element of filter effectively eliminates bad tastes and odours by reducing chemicals such chlorine,chloramines, chloroform, ethelbenzene & associated impurities.
-          5th Stage : Final and vitally important filtering process, water is re-filtered once again through a 5-micron membrane before being dispersed for consumption.

Many water purifiers in the market offer only up to 3-stage filtration process. Convenient and portable with easy connection to the tap. Economical and value for money, providing delicious tasting, clean, healthy water at a fraction of the cost of bottled water. Ideal for homes, offices, childcare centres, hospitals, schools, clinics, etc. Designed and manufactured in Australia of the highest quality with ONE year manufacturer’s guarantee.

Drinking water filters – when to change element?

She who must be obeyed decreed that we had to have a drinking water filter tap by the main one – that was 8 months ago.

When I bought it I also bought a spare cartridge (“Spun wound polypropylene over activated carbon core”). Advice plastered all over the bumph that came with it demands it be changed at 6 monthly intervals and this is backed up by several letters and phone calls from the supplier pestering to sell another cartridge.

Now the flow through the filter appears to me to be just as it was when first installed – and there are no complaints about the taste / smell  / colour of  the water – and presumeably given that the capacity of the element is finite it’s life will greatly depend on volume of water and concentration of contaminates which must widely vary from any ‘norm’.

Surely end of life of these elements will be indicated by a reduced flow rate through the filter or a lack of ability to remove smells etc- or  am I missing something here ?If the chlorine smell came back or everyone was complaining of the taste I’d pop  the spare element in straight away but at the moment I’m feeling that perhaps  the endpoint  is more determined by the suppliers cash flow issues than the actual element !

Anyone got any experience of the longevity of these filters?

My Brita filter is always kept in the fridge though, which may also help with limiting bacteria. It may also be the main help with the taste, rather than the filtering. Few people can detect the difference between filtered and unfiltered water after it is refrigerated, so you may not notice even if the filter has totally expired.

Well where I am in North Hampshire, the difference is very obvious as the tap water has so much chlorine in it that it smells like a swimming bath, and that doesn’t go by standing it in the fridge to cool (done that by accident when forgetting to but a new filter in the jug on a couple of occasions, and no one could miss it). Nowhere else I’ve lived had so much chlorine in the water — this is the first place I’ve bothered to use a water filter.
The water softner part has certainly never worn out either — no deposits form in the kettle which is always filled from the filter,
and I’m in a hard water area.