Katadyn Water Purifiers

I have a Sweetwater Guardian, and I like it.  It’s probably easier to pump than any other filter because of the lever it uses.  I do know (from using at REI) that it pumps easier than an MSR filter with a similar lever.  However, if I were buying a filter for the first time, I would consider an MSR Miniworks or Waterworks or a Katadyn Pocket Filter or Minifilter.  The MSR filters attach directly to a water bottle (or my MSR Dromedary water bag), so there’s no output hose to get contaminated.  The Katadyn filters seem to get the most use out of their replaceable filter elements, if their claims as to filter life are accurate.  All of those filters have the requisite pore size (.2 microns, I believe) to filter out cysts, protozoa, and most bacteria. In any case, check out the monthly panel here about water filters and contaminants, or go to rei.com and find their chart that compares the abilities of various makes and models of filters, to make sure the one you buy removes the things from the water that you want it to.  And remember this is only one opinion (mine) among many.  You may place greater emphasis on other factors in choosing a water filter. A trick to extend the life of any water filter, which I probably read in this newsgroup, is to cover the “prefilter” at the end of the intake hose that goes into the water source with a coffee filter, to strain out the larger contaminants and keep them from clogging the filter element. 

 

Water Filtering System

I’m off to Nepal to do some trekking soon and considering taking a water purifier with me mainly to ensure a safe supply of drinking water but also to do my bit at reducing the plastic bottle pollution epidemic. Can anyone recommend a good purifier that’s both compact and capable of producing enough clean water for two people for the duration of the Annapurna Circuit trek I’m reckoning on about a liter each a day for twenty one days. All I can say is, make sure you have some iodine tablets (and something to kill the taste) because you never know when the darn machine’s going to break.

I had a Pur Scout, which came highly recommended by the camping shop. By my third day in Africa it melted (and it was sitting in the same bag as my cheap camera, which was fine). It wasn’t unusable but it took three people to hold it together and pump at the same time. Yes, I would say that some kind of water purification equipment is quite esential.  As many other people have said, your estimate of one liter per person per day indicates that you don’t have much experience with backpacking.  If nothing else, buying 4 liters of bottled water per day per person adds up to a lot of money.  It is also a lot of weight to carry.

When I travel in India, I use Polar Pure, a system based on iodine crystals (Kahn-Vischer method) with essentially unlimited capacity.  Problems are that the bottle has to be protected against freezing, and any kind of chemical disinfection works poorly at low temperatures.  Neither is a problem in lowland India, but 18,000 feet is a whole ‘nother question. I recommend asking advice or reading the FAQ in rec.backcountry. Generally, filters avoid problems with iodine flavor, potential toxicity, and temperature, but don’t filter out viruses, your most serious enemies. Also expensive, slow, sometimes heavy, and prone to breakdown.  Iodine kills viruses very well, but is less effective against parasite cysts. Probably a combination of coarse filter and low-concentration iodine is best.

Water Purifier Pointer

I am posting this info for anyone in the market for a portable water purification system.  I know a guy who has designed and is marketing one that I am considering.  He doesn’t have access to the net and I have no connection with this business, so please don’t write me about it.  Here’s the general info: 

Water Doctor portable water purification system with a 12 volt self-priming pump plugs into cigarette lighter of car and will pump water from eight feet away.  Filters water eight times before U.V. sterilization that kills any and all viruses, bacteria and microorganisms.  Built in 12 volt to 120 volt D.C. to A.C. power inverter will power cellular phone, radio, computer, or other small appliances.  Comes with 2.2 gallon storage tank but will deliver 30 gallons per day.  Optional accessories include solar panels and storage batteries.  Uses no chemicals in process.

Under the counter Water Purifiers

I would like to know other’s experiences, both good and bad, with under-the-counter water filters. Specifically, I’d like to know what brand you purchased; whether you think you got your monies’ worth; and last, how difficult was the installation? I installed an Everpur brand filter this past weekend.  Purchased it from Camping World for just under $90.  It seems to work fine so far. Installation was somewhat complicated by the fact that I could not use any of the parts included for connecting into my water line. 

My TT uses 5/8 inch semi-hard tubing and the kit included parts for smaller diameter tubing.  Luckily, my dealer, Funtime RV in leburne, TX. was only 30 miles away and he fixed me up with the necessary parts. So what should have been a one-hour project, turned into a half day project? Oh well! IMHO, you bought one of the best under counter filters made for RV use. Now, it’s only good as long as you follow the instructions that came with it. It has to have chlorinated water and the filter must be changed on a regular schedule.  That’s what the test kit is for.  Watch the flyers, because C/W will have a twin pack of filter replacements for it at a reduced cost when compared to singles. 

I get really confused when people talk about water purifiers.  In most cases, they are nothing more than water filters, which I nderstand do not necessarily purify.  Because of all the concerns, I installed an ultraviolet unit which both filters and conditions ith ultraviolet light to kill all the bad stuff (technical term!).  Bought it thru West Marine but Boat US also has the same unit.  If you are really concerned about the safety of the water you drink (as I am), check out this equipment.  Same UV as used in hospital emergency rooms.

Ultraviolet Water Purification

I am no expert on the ultraviolet method of water purification, but have never heard about the cancer causing aspects of it. I tend to ignore a lot There are none, as it’s the UV that causes (skin) cancer. If the unit is competantly installed (a blueish glow visible anywhere is bad news) there should not be any risk. There is certainly no risk when it comes out of the taps. The way to rate UV systems is how long the water is exposed to the UV, and how intense it is. This is measured in units like s * mw/cm^2. Exposing stuff to UV for ten times as long is as good as ten times the power for a tenth of the time. Various stuff requires different amounts of UV to kill it. The hardest stuff to kill is generally spores. The UV generated by your water purification unit is what’s called short wavelength or germicidal UV and it’s very fast and effective at killing viruses, bacteria and other nasties. If the unit is sized for your water system and operating properly, it will work and the manufacturer’s literature or web site should tell you if you have the right unit for your application. To be absolutely sure, sample the incoming and output water and have it tested. Short wavelength UV can damage skin and eyes so you should not expose yourself to UV radiation from the lamp.

An automatic shut-off switch is usually part of the unit so the UV lamp will not operate if the unit is open. The purification device should also have safety glass in the inspection port so the UV is kept inside the unit. Usually, some visible blue light can be seen through the glass, but the harmful UV is filtered out. Short wavelength UV is associated with skin cancer. If you expose your skin to the UV from sunshine or certain electric light sources over time and particularly if you have had severe sunburns when you were young, your chances of skin cancer go up. But your UV water purification unit does not expose you to UV and nothing is done to the water as it goes through the unit that would make the water cause cancer. There are none, as it’s the UV that causes (skin) cancer. If the unit is competantly installed (a blueish glow visible anywhere is bad news) there should not be any risk. There is certainly no risk when it comes out of the taps. The way to rate UV systems is how long the water is exposed to the UV, and how intense it is. This is measured in units like s * mw/cm^2. Exposing stuff to UV for ten times as long is as good as ten times the power for a tenth of the time. Various stuff requires different amounts of UV to kill it. The hardest stuff to kill is generally spores.

UV is one of the best means to treat for bacteria but it depends on a number of things as to how well UV works in a given application. Things like if the water needs pretreatment and you have it and maintain the equipment to allow the light to work as it should. Also, you have to replace the bulb in the time frame for the make of light you have. That’s usually 9000 hours (annually due to the intensity falling off due to changes in the quartz the lamp is made of etc.) for all lights that do not have an intensity meter or metering circuitry; which is finally becoming popular with more and more dealers. I’ve been selling them since 1994/19955. And it depends on the class of the light you have; A or B with A being the only type I’ll sell. The A lamp produces much more intense UV-C than the class B lights. Like 40K to 16K microwatts/centimeter squared when they are new, or the newest terminalogy, microjoules/cm2. And then there’s the proper flow control to maintain the light’s rated flow. So what light and any pretreatment do you have or need based on the raw water quality you have? No, the teacher isn’t explaining things correctly or is mistaken. UV for water is in the germicidal range of the UV spectrum; exactly it’s 254.7 nanometers which is shortwave UV-C. If the light shines on you or in your eyes that’s dangerous but then the light would be in a bad way and won’t be treating your water anyway. If you have a viewport, the light emitted from it does not contain the invisible UV-C due to it being ‘filtered’ out by the material the veiwport is made of; which is usually thick plexiglass.

Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Tap Water Purifier

I am contemplating purchasing the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Tap Water Purifier and would like to hear opinions people have of this product.  Does it really work?  I live in the Chicagoland area so the water is hard and basic, so I would like to lower the pH of my water to about 6.5-7.0. 

I used to live in the Chicagoland area and know exactly waht you mean.  The water is terrible.  I have tried using and not using the purifier and now I stand by it.  You may be able to get away without using it if you have a freshwater setup.  However do to the sensitivity of salt water fish the purifier is an excellent choice.  I have a 55g Saltwater and a 10g freshwater.  While I could use the regular tap water in the freshwater tank, I use only purified water.  One more thing, I use to get a lot of ick infections while using tap water that was adjusted to match the temperature of the tank water.  After suggestion from my fish store I only used cold water and then slowly warmed it up in the microwave.   Apparently the hot water dissolves minerals in the pipes and in the water that can help ick thrive! 

I live in Chicago and I measured the pH to be about 7.4-7.6.  Also, the hardness was 150ppm (I guess that measures a certain solute).  In other words, the water is slightly basic and hard. 

Since the water is hard, you will have a difficult time lowering the pH because of the buffering capacity of the water.  Maybe someone will give you advice about peat or reverse osmosis stuff…but IMHO it is much better to use the water “as is” out of the tap.  You would be surprised at the diversity you can maintain with Chicago tap water. I have a 55gal with zebra danios, black-lined tetras, tiger barbs, giant danios, and cardinal tetras.  All are doing fine.  I plan to add serpae tetras, cory cats, and maybe a pleco. 

You have not stated how hard your water is.. If it is very hard then a cartridge for a tap water purifier will filter less than 15 gallons of water. This would amount to about $1.00 per gallon. If your water is relatively soft than you might get the advertized gallons at a much more reasonable cost. You can buy RO water at many grocery stores for $0.25 per gallon, a pain to have to buy all that water. Or for about $200.00 you can purchase a RO unit. The maintanence cost would be about $0.15 or less per gallon if you did bought your own RO unit. Try the tap water purifier but check your water first and be warned you may get about 15 gallons of water for an initial cost of greater than $25.00-$35.00 depending on where you buy the thing. It would be nice if the manufacturer would publish the capacity of the filter so users could be made aware of the small capacity of the unit. 

 

Steri-Pen water purifier?

RE just started selling a gadget called “Steri-Pen” which is supposed to purify water using UV light.  Pour 16 ounces of water in a jar, stir with the Steri-Pen for 40 seconds, and the UV light supposedly kills any harmful bio-organisms in the water.  Chemical hazards aren’t affected, of course, but iodine and boiling are also ineffective against chemical poisons.  The Steri-Pen weighs just 6 ounces including batteries and costs $200.  4 AA batteries will purify 140 pints of water. Does anyone have any experience with this gadget?  Can it replace water filters and iodine for field use?  It seems a whole lot simpler, as well as lighter weight than water filters. This is not an advertisement.  I have not used this gadget and do not know if it works. Pretty cool.  The science is sound.  Doesn’t seem suitable to the backcountry though, I don’t use a glass.  What they need to make is a 12″ UV tube for doing gallons, or at least pints (liters for our metric friends).  But the battery pack would make this impractical, especially compared to an iodine tablet. If you have the time, would letting it lie in the sun all day achieve the same thing?  Solar water purification? I saw this thing too. At this point I wouldn’t trust it to do the job but i think that definitely this is the way of the future for backcountry water purification. I can’t wait for it to be developed further. I think that It would work best in combination with some sort of a prefilter. but in order for that to make sense it would have to be a very light prefilter mechanism otherwise why not just carry your average water filter. Can anyone think of a devise that would work as a prefilter indipendent of a filter? Something like a coffee filter or cheese cloth rigged to some sort of light pumping device.

OT: consumerreports.com is no help!

It just seems that everything I try to search they don’t have on the site. Why bother to pay for a subscription if they don’t even evaluate faucet-end water filters? So, I’m putting out the question here. I want to replace my countertop water filter (hard to find the filters). I’m considering something like an Instapure or Waterpic (not sure if these are the correct brandnames) to attach on the end of the faucet. I remember seeing an ad on TV once that showed the filter had a visible indicator when it was time to change. Anybody have one of these?

I’m considering something like an Instapure or Waterpic (not sure if these are the correct brandnames) to attach on the end of the faucet. I remember seeing an ad on TV once that showed the filter had a visible indicator when it was time to change. Anybody have one of these?  I have a PUR countertop model, which also attaches to the end of the faucet. it has a visible indicator and seems to work very well.  I had one of those PUR faucet models once, when I was living in Saint John, a small paper-mill/oil-refinery city (you can imagine the dreadful quality of the air and water). After maybe a month of use (the change indicator was nowhere near the end), the flow of water had slowed to a trickle–literally; it took three minutes to get a single cup of water out of the filter. I know, because I timed it.

So I phoned the customer-service line and they were very nice and very apologetic, but they explained that in certain locales, the water was so densely particulated that it would clog the filter and there wasn’t anything they could do about it.

So I chucked it (fifty bucks down the tubes) and bought a couple of Brita pitchers, one for the fridge and one for the countertop. Best water filter I ever used. Yeah, you have to fill it all the time, but it turned that greenish-brownish sludgewater into something actually clear and drinkable, which is saying a lot.  Usual disclaimers. I just think it’s a good product.

 

Household water purifier

 

Anyone know if there is a particular brand or type of tap water filter/purifier that more or less well-suited to the vicissitudes of Twin Cities water? The major problem with twin cities area water is hardness.  In Burnsville, my water tested at 18 grains, and anything over 6 is enough to worry about.  The warranty is void on most home applicances if your water is over about 8.  Softening will pay for itself in the long run in reduced repair bills, fewer plumbing problems, and longer lasting clothes.  If you do get a softener, get one that is metered…it really cuts down on salt usage. 

Beyond that, the issues are metals, and in the south metro area that was once farm land, pesticides.  You want something that takes out metals, has a 2nd filter for hydrocarbons, and a third activated carbon for taste and odour.  Reverse Osmosis is nice to have…it blocks the little bugs.  A U-V (ultraviolet) is even better for the little bugs.  We don’t have a pest problem here, but these events are bad enough when they happen that it is worthwhile (aka all the people that died in Milwaukee a few years ago). 

If you do put in a filter, change the filter inserts at the recommended intervals.  Not doing this is worse than not filtering at all.  The bad junk builds up behind the filter, and eventually the pressure will push it through.  Benzene exists in almost all water at very tiny levels.  A filter will concentrate it.  If you get a slug of it through when the filter fails, it could kill you. I like to use two layers of filters.  I first put in a cheap set, followed by a good set.  This way, I replace the cheap ones more often, and it makes the good ones last longer (ie, change them less often).

Do any water purification hookup devices work?

I’m thinking of buying an Equinox water purification device which hooks up to my tap. I heard about a T.V. news segment which showed that many such devices don’t actually work. The person selling me the Equinox product showed me a video which tried to separate this particular product from other devices in that it used a much more extensive carbon filter system and 2 other chemical removal systems which I can’t remember right now. He claims that it is state of the are in that it can remove virtually all organic compounds but keep beneficial minerals in. There is also a seal on the device saying ’Tested and Validated Under Industry Standards - Water Quality Association , S-200 ‘ .

Does anyone have any info on this product in particular and on these devices in general. What does the seal really guarantee? Is there any independent source where I could go to determine if this product really works?

Some supermarkets have machines, installed by a company called Harmony Brook, that purify tap water. The tap water is furnished by the store, and the pure water comes out of a spigot on the machine. You bring your own bottle and fill it yourself. Harmony Brook water is cheaper than any bottled water you can buy because Harmony Brook does not have to pay to transport water to the store, as distributors of bottled water do.

Some of the home, water purifiers are cheap, but you do have to buy filters periodically. I own an Equinox countertop water filter and am very happy with it.  It is a self-contained unit that does not require replacement filters.  The test results I’ve seen indicate that its filtering efficiency does not drop off over time removing 99% of chlorine, lead, benzene and several other things even after 5000 gallons of water filtered (its rated capacity).  It has 3 separate filtration media (stages), not just one stage of activated carbon.  I’ve been using it everyday for 12 months and it has worked flawlessly. The cost per filtered gallon of water is also very attractive (about 4 cents per gallon).